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James Tyrrell

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on Lion Warfare: Tsalala and Sparta Males. Where to?

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Hello James,
thanks for your report. One interesting additional fact: The Selati males are down to three. Maybe this will influence the whole dynamic.
Dan

Thanks for the information Dan. Can you elaborate on when this change happened? rich

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Hi,
some quotes from different Game Reserves.

Rangers Report October 2013/ Leopard Hills: The Selati males were still split up with the three still sticking together and the one ill one on his own, whom eventually succumbed to this lone lifestyle. There was a report from the East that he got caught up in a group of Buffalo and got killed.

Safari Journal October 2013 Inyati : Sadly the formidable four – Selati male coalition – known for defeating the Magogo coalition is now down to three. One of the males has passed on after battling for over eight months from the internal damage caused by a buffalo hitting him. He was found dead east of our boundaries, we are not sure how he died but there is a theory that he was finished off by another buffalo.

As Syl mentioned he died in Oct last year after suffering for some months.

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Great blog. This lion-opera has been fascinating.
Sadly the 4th Selati (which was known as Selati #2) passed away in Oct 2013….presumed run in with a buff.

Hi Syl, Thanks for the update. i did in fact know that, but for some reason it completely slipped my mind when writing this. I have only ever seen the Selati males as a foursome, so I guess I need to change that picture in my mind!
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Thank you for the updates – I find the lion movements and behaviors fascinating. I have read quite a bit about these two lions in the last year and it seems as if they are content hunting, mating when the opportunity presents itself but not really too interested in getting their own pride. Seems they have made a decent life for themselves. Of course, who knows what they are thinking?!

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Not only are the Selati down to three, but Selati #1 suffered a mouth injury and lost his lower left canine tooth and, while it cannot be proved to be related, has lost considerable weight over the past bit. It could be that, at the present moment, only two of the Selati are in fighting condition.

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is see now solo the son of tsalala male lions on southern pride lions and his try a fight of krger male lion

but Selati male lions is poor becous on of Selati male lions his killed after by buffalos attack

i see of facebook his solo and Sparta male not celo but the Eyrefield sparta male lion his you can on that video his kill buffalo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0jaGQUR7UA

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I guess the Kruger male is way more smart than Solo and Cleo.
He will not be overthrown by this two males.

Solo and Cleo still too cautious,they have never seeing fighting another male lion.
as you can see,Solo dint help His coalition mate.
perhaps fighting is not their plan for survival.

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I love these blogs on the lions really great to keep track of what is going on half way around the world here in Canada. One thing I wanted to ask is in this blog you say they could maybe take each male on one by one like the Selati males did when they over threw the mapogos I thought the Majingilane coalition over threw the mapogos. Also do you see any real challengers on the horizon to take on the Majingilane and over throw them.

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Scott

Hi Scott,
that could certainly be the way any coalition would go about a takeover. In fact, it would be far more likely that they WOULD do it that way, as it would be far likelier to succeed.

Currently there are no real challengers to the Majingilane that we can see, but who knows? The reserve is open to the Kruger and a new coalition could arrive at anytime. The Majingilane are not getting any younger…

James

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The southern pride has only the knp male…but do not forget the ladies…they are a great barrier, those ladies are hard to take, i think is not just to kill knp male…it is about the ladies too.

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Hey there plus selati males I’m pretty sure are as old as the majingilane

Hi there Ash,

The Selati males are definitely younger than the Majingilane. The Majingilane were becoming territorial around the time the Selati males were first becoming nomadic.

We do not have exact birth dates for the Majingilane but I will try get hold of the dates of the Selati males for you.

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Hi James

Great blog. Im sure you will be answering a lot of questions now after this blog. Didn’t the majingilane males over throw the Mapogo males? and I know that the Seleti’s are down to 3 males. Just so I have an understanding here as each lodge in the sabi sands calls males and prides different names. These two males that you are talking about the Sparta and Tsalala males they are also known as Solo and Cleo that were down in the south of the sabi sands for a while and have now moved north? Do you think they will take on the Majingilane when they had a run in with the Kruger male a few months back and ran away? couold they also not be trying to get away from the Hilda rock/ Sand river males that are now trying to take over the southern pride? Would it not be best for these guys to just go further west? The lion ware fare is great and its all speculation cause you never know what all these males are thinking.

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Hi Brandon, the Majingilane killed Kinky Tail Mapogo while the Selati’s killed Mr.T

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Great Questions Brandon .

James I used to listen to ‘ Squad Car’s ‘ on Springbok radio 45 years ago and visualise what was going down . They way you write your articles enables me to do the same .

Good Work

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Hi there.
What a surprise to read this blog after being linked from another page and coming across my own photo of the magnificent four Selati boys here.

It was an amazing sighting and obviously is not a recent picture.

It was in fact taken two visits ago during the month of May in 2012, a few months before number twos very sad demise, and we were in the Western sector of Sabi Sand at the time.

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Hi James?

Why are these two male Lion’s called Sparta and Tsalala male and the same same thing with Solo and Cleo?What is the history of the naming and why don’t they have a uniform coalition name like Mapogo or Majingilane?

Hi Tim. Solo is the Tsalala young male. We prefer not to give the animals ‘pet names’ as we feel it detracts from their wildness.
The naming of a coalition is not necessarily an official undertaking. It ifs often simply a case of what feels right for the males. As these two males have very unique and individual histories, it would seem almost a shame to lump them together under a uniform coalition name.

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Thanks for the reply!I understand Tsalala and Sparta and Solo and Cleo are one and the same thing.Different lodges gave the two different names!!

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The Tsalala male (Solo) and Sparta male (Cleo) are not serious about fighting other coalitions and taking over prides. They seem to be content with roaming around and occasionally mating. There a few strong coalitions in that extended area, that they will not be able to overthrow: The 4 Majingilanes, the 3 Selatis, the 3 Sand Rivers. The Kruger male is old but very clever, and is still dominating the Southern Pride. There are a good number of lionesses in the Southern pride who will fiercely defend their many cubs and young adults. The Selati #2’s condition had been deteriorating for many months before he succumbed to buffalo attack in October of 2013.

Virtuel I would actually tend to agree. After considering everything and discussing the saga with everyone here, I imagine that two male lions who have been chased their whole lives would not be likely to initiate a serious takeover attempt.
James

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Hi James thank your for your great reports as always. As I am interested in the goings of lion movements could you tell us if there is roaring/fighting between southern pride>majingilanes>matimbas. And more importantly is there any information as to what happened to makhulu and pretty boy?

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